King Charles ‘has not decided’ whether he’ll let Archie and Lilibet use new titles yet, says expert

King Charles has not yet decided whether he will allow the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s children to use the titles of prince and princess, according to a royal expert.

The Times royal editor Roya Nikkhah wrote that the indecision is ‘heightening tensions’ between Charles, 73, and his youngest son Harry, 38, and his wife Meghan, 41.

Following the death of the Queen, who died peacefully at Balmoral on September 8, aged 96, Archie and Lilibet are entitled to the titles prince and princess as grandchildren of the monarch.

However, they are still listed on the Royal Family’s website as Master Archie Mountbatten-Windsor and Miss Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor.

Regarding the lack of updated titles, the Times reports a spokesperson saying: ‘The King is focused on the mourning period. It’s unlikely you’ll know other titles during that period. I’m sure at some point there will be discussions.’

King Charles (pictured walking behind his mother, the Queen's coffin as it is transported from Buckingham Palace to Westminster Hall on September 14) is said to be undecided on whether to let his youngest grandchildren Archie and Lilibet use the prince and princess titles

King Charles (pictured walking behind his mother, the Queen’s coffin as it is transported from Buckingham Palace to Westminster Hall on September 14) is said to be undecided on whether to let his youngest grandchildren Archie and Lilibet use the prince and princess titles

The reported indecision over the titles is 'heightening tensions' between the king and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex (pictured at memorial service for the Queen at Westminster Hall on September 14)

The reported indecision over the titles is ‘heightening tensions’ between the king and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex (pictured at memorial service for the Queen at Westminster Hall on September 14)

Now according to Roya Nikkah, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are ‘understood to fear the King may strip Archie and Lilibet of their titles, after his reluctance immediately to recognize their elevated status after the Queen’s death’.

This comes after royal expert Kate Nicholl told True Royalty TV’s The Royal Beat that King Charles is willing to officially give his youngest grandchildren the titles – but ‘there is a caveat and that caveat is trust’.

Katie explained: ‘One of the interesting things that came out in all of this was the speculation about titles, and Archie and Lilibet… whether they would officially be acknowledged as Prince and Princess, the titles owed to them when Charles became King… ‘

She continued: ‘They remain ‘Miss’ and ‘Master’ currently [on the Royal Website].

‘And I’m told that that is a very clear signal from the King. He’s willing to give those titles, but it comes with a caveat, and that caveat is trust.

‘They have to know that they can trust the [Sussex] Familia.’

When Archie and Lilibet were born, they were too far down the line of succession to receive the prince and princess titles, due to rules from King George V in 1917.

But the death of the Queen means they are now the grandchildren of the monarch, rather than the great-grandchildren, and are entitled to be addressed as prince and princess, and to use HRH.

King Charles (pictured here carrying out official government duties from his red box at Buckingham Palace on September 23) reportedly wants to know he can 'trust' the Sussexes

King Charles (pictured here carrying out official government duties from his red box at Buckingham Palace on September 23) reportedly wants to know he can ‘trust’ the Sussexes

The Times royal editor Roya Nikkhah has written that the Sussexes (pictured) are said to be worried that the king may strip their children of the prince and princess titles

The Times royal editor Roya Nikkhah has written that the Sussexes (pictured) are said to be worried that the king may strip their children of the prince and princess titles

However, it has been reported that as non-working royals, they will not be given the HRH titles.

Royal expert Phil Dampier previously told MailOnline that allowing them to become a prince and princess but not HRH ‘would be a classic compromise’.

He said: ‘The same thing happened to Diana and Fergie after they were divorced from Charles and Andrew. And of course Sarah Ferguson is still the Duchess of York today.

‘Harry and Meghan should be pleased as using prince or princess sounds good in the States.

‘But even though their children are still high up in the line of succession they will not be working royals, so it’s quite right they shouldn’t have [HRH] titles.’

It comes after a source told The Sun: ‘Harry and Meghan were worried about the security issue and being prince and princess brings them the right to have certain levels of royal security. There have been a lot of talks over the past week.’

The source added: ‘But they have been left furious that Archie and Lilibet cannot take the title HRH.

‘That is the agreement – they can be prince and princess but not HRH because they are not working royals.’

The Prince and Princess of Wales and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex on the Long Walk at Windsor Castle on September 10, two days after the death of the Queen

The Prince and Princess of Wales and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex on the Long Walk at Windsor Castle on September 10, two days after the death of the Queen

Meanwhile, Daily Mirror royal editor Russell Myers, who also appeared on the episode, said there is still some distrust between the Prince and Princess of Wales and the Sussexes.

He said: ‘I’ve spoken to someone very close to William and Kate and they said, “Don’t be fooled by this” [the time the couples spent together following the death of the Queen].

‘I know that everybody wants them to come together and to have this big truth, but the truth is very much temporary. [The truce] was for the Queen. The Queen was always about unity, especially of her family.

‘And she would have wanted the boys to come together, and certainly William extended that invitation to the Sussexes to come forward and take part in that walkabout. But as far as [William] is concerned, there is still an awful lot of distrust in the camp.’

How rules on HRH date back to Letters Patent by King George V in 1917

The rules on HRH – His or Her Royal Highness – titles in the modern royal family can be traced back to the founder of the House of Windsor, King George V, who issued Letters Patent in 1917 which restricted their use.

He declared: ‘The grandchildren of the sons of any such Sovereign in the direct male line (save only the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales) shall have and enjoy in all occasions the style and title enjoyed by the children of Dukes of these Our Realms.’

This means both of King Charles III’s children – Prince William and Prince Harry – are entitled to be HRH. While William uses this title, Harry has not since quit as a senior working royal in early 2020, but still retains it.

A monarch’s grandchildren in the male line are also HRH, which applies to William and Kate Middleton’s children Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis.

It technically therefore also applies to Harry and Meghan Markle’s children Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet – but they are not expected to get the title because the family are not working royals. Buckingham Palace said in March 2020 that Harry and Meghan would not use HRH.

Once someone is given an HRH title, it remains for the rest of their life even if the line changes – unless the monarch chose to issue Letters Patent to remove it.

This means William, Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie are all HRHs because they are the children of sons of Queen Elizabeth II.

Prince Edward’s children – Lady Louise Windsor and James, Viscount Severn – are also technically HRH but their parents said they would not use those titles.

Princess Anne’s children, Peter Phillips and Zara Tindall, are not entitled to be HRHs because they are the children of a daughter – not a son – of the Queen.

Charles no longer has the HRH style because he has become HM, or His Majesty. Similarly, Camilla is now no longer HRH and is instead HM, or Her Majesty de ella.

Other members of the Royal Family who have HRH include the Duke of Gloucester, who is the grandchild of King George V through his third son Henry, Duke of Gloucester.

The Duke of Kent, his sister Princess Alexandra, and his brother Prince Michael also have the title. This is because their father George, Duke of Kent, was the fourth son of King George V.

The HRH style is also passed onto a spouse – which means Queen Consort Camilla (who is now HM, not HRH); Kate; Sophie; Birgitte, Duchess of Gloucester; Katharine, Duchess of Kent; and Princess Michael of Kent all received the title after their marriages.

But the husbands of women HRHs are not entitled to the style – such as Eugenie’s husband Jack Brooksbank and Beatrice’s husband Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi.

Sarah, Duchess of York received the title after marrying Prince Andrew – but lost it following her divorce in 1996.

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